There used to be respect for the dead. Particularly if they were murdered. Particularly if they were just now murdered. Not to forget that one of his children apparently did it.
There used to be respect.
To spit on someone's fresh grave is beyond all apologetics . It's a degenerate generation.
Apparently, Reiner's film Being Charlie is based on the drug-addiction struggles of his son Nick, who is now in custody. I agree, it's degenerate. I know someone who literally burst into laughter when the news hit that Kirk was shot. Trump's reaction is not nearly as bad as that, of course, but the basic principle—respect for human life—remains the same. Trump's disregard for PC BS was initially refreshing, but I'm not on board with this kind of callous rhetoric.
President Trump was wrong to make these comments. They are tacky and disrespectful. It does not matter if these remarks were or were not comparable to those made about Charlie Kirk's assassination, I expect more from my president than from an online rabble of feebleminded bigots. It says more about Trump than about the Reiners. I am used to the President's lack of decorum and tendency to say things that normal people never would, and yet I was shocked at this. I know the President has an oversized ego and has a tendency to make things about himself, but this is beyond the pale. There is no defending this. It is disgraceful and he should be ashamed of himself.
We all know Trump is sometimes vulgar, uncouth and generally lacking in class. But he is also a human being who twice escaped assassination by deranged leftists, and who has long been placed in the rhetorical crosshairs by the left (including Biden - remember?). He didn't cheer for Rob Reiner's death (as Reiner would have undoubtedly have cheered for his), but he couldn't resist pointing out that Reiner suffered from a serious case of TDS. Which was true. Someone with a little more class would have passed over that, but would someone with a little more class have won against the odds he faced? Ask yourself where President Mitt Romney is today. We are in the midst of a cultural cold war that sometimes spills over into violence - which comes almost exclusively from the left - and to hold a flawed but heroic (yes!) leader like Trump to the manners and morals of an Edith Wharton character is simply absurd.
You have the correct context, but I wouldn’t therefore argue that it removes blame, would you? That is a move often made on the left to excuse criminals, for example, and I reject that kind of reasoning. Yes, he has been through a lot. I still expect decency from American leaders. From everyone, in fact. And no, he didn’t cheer for Reiner’s death, that is also true, but as I explained, what he did was pretty gross and folks who defend him did not apply the context argument to people who made almost identical remarks about Charlie Kirk. Also, Wharton’s characters are known for being exquisitely polite, you’re right about that, but it’s a politeness that masks some form of evil. What I am calling for is something entirely different. I am calling for human decency.
It seems to me that calling for decency, in the context of the current violent and murderous political conflict, is essentially calling for dignified defeat. Nice guys finish last, as the man said.
I am a Trump supporter who is disgusted by this. Two theories:
1.) He is Jekyl and Hyde. We are aware that Trump can be incredibly kind and generous to people who work for him or are down on their luck or in need of help. There are many accounts of this and it's not just white people that he will take care of. I don't have a clue how he decides who to be sweet and caring to. But then there is the opposite where he just rips someone apart.
2.) I also think that he is so upset by how he has been treated since 2015. He was practically drawn and quartered. Spit on, humiliated, and even lost some billions of dollars of wealth. I don't think he cares whether he satisfies any need for civility. He didn't get any and he doesn't have to give it if he doesn't want to.
He is a man with very public flaws. I wish he would take the high road when appropriate.
Did anyone else notice a "permission structure" materialize which othered and Nazified all Jews in the country over the last couple of years? Those structures are what establish what is sacred and what is permeable..........
There used to be respect for the dead. Particularly if they were murdered. Particularly if they were just now murdered. Not to forget that one of his children apparently did it.
There used to be respect.
To spit on someone's fresh grave is beyond all apologetics . It's a degenerate generation.
Apparently, Reiner's film Being Charlie is based on the drug-addiction struggles of his son Nick, who is now in custody. I agree, it's degenerate. I know someone who literally burst into laughter when the news hit that Kirk was shot. Trump's reaction is not nearly as bad as that, of course, but the basic principle—respect for human life—remains the same. Trump's disregard for PC BS was initially refreshing, but I'm not on board with this kind of callous rhetoric.
President Trump was wrong to make these comments. They are tacky and disrespectful. It does not matter if these remarks were or were not comparable to those made about Charlie Kirk's assassination, I expect more from my president than from an online rabble of feebleminded bigots. It says more about Trump than about the Reiners. I am used to the President's lack of decorum and tendency to say things that normal people never would, and yet I was shocked at this. I know the President has an oversized ego and has a tendency to make things about himself, but this is beyond the pale. There is no defending this. It is disgraceful and he should be ashamed of himself.
We all know Trump is sometimes vulgar, uncouth and generally lacking in class. But he is also a human being who twice escaped assassination by deranged leftists, and who has long been placed in the rhetorical crosshairs by the left (including Biden - remember?). He didn't cheer for Rob Reiner's death (as Reiner would have undoubtedly have cheered for his), but he couldn't resist pointing out that Reiner suffered from a serious case of TDS. Which was true. Someone with a little more class would have passed over that, but would someone with a little more class have won against the odds he faced? Ask yourself where President Mitt Romney is today. We are in the midst of a cultural cold war that sometimes spills over into violence - which comes almost exclusively from the left - and to hold a flawed but heroic (yes!) leader like Trump to the manners and morals of an Edith Wharton character is simply absurd.
You have the correct context, but I wouldn’t therefore argue that it removes blame, would you? That is a move often made on the left to excuse criminals, for example, and I reject that kind of reasoning. Yes, he has been through a lot. I still expect decency from American leaders. From everyone, in fact. And no, he didn’t cheer for Reiner’s death, that is also true, but as I explained, what he did was pretty gross and folks who defend him did not apply the context argument to people who made almost identical remarks about Charlie Kirk. Also, Wharton’s characters are known for being exquisitely polite, you’re right about that, but it’s a politeness that masks some form of evil. What I am calling for is something entirely different. I am calling for human decency.
It seems to me that calling for decency, in the context of the current violent and murderous political conflict, is essentially calling for dignified defeat. Nice guys finish last, as the man said.
I am a Trump supporter who is disgusted by this. Two theories:
1.) He is Jekyl and Hyde. We are aware that Trump can be incredibly kind and generous to people who work for him or are down on their luck or in need of help. There are many accounts of this and it's not just white people that he will take care of. I don't have a clue how he decides who to be sweet and caring to. But then there is the opposite where he just rips someone apart.
2.) I also think that he is so upset by how he has been treated since 2015. He was practically drawn and quartered. Spit on, humiliated, and even lost some billions of dollars of wealth. I don't think he cares whether he satisfies any need for civility. He didn't get any and he doesn't have to give it if he doesn't want to.
He is a man with very public flaws. I wish he would take the high road when appropriate.
I am going to change the topic to Australia.
Did anyone else notice a "permission structure" materialize which othered and Nazified all Jews in the country over the last couple of years? Those structures are what establish what is sacred and what is permeable..........